No hate against gen zeros devs or any thing nut what happened. Its been over a month and still silence from them i hope the staff is ok and if they are a letter or something would be nice, because last i heard they were trying to fix the dlc problems and then just poof what happened to you. Lets us know whats happening
Merged topics. Here’s a link to the latest dev letter, it was literally released yesterday.
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They said the Xbox updates will come next week but the PS4 version is delayed = not next week. It means that it wouldn’t be released sooner than the 31 August. After that, it’s September. They won’t speak of “delay” if both versions would come really close (7 days apart). The second they said the PS4 version is delayed, without any date, they just prepared PS4 players to wait a lot longer. You’ll see.
The free content of the update… PC players already got it for months. The story of the DLC ? Already seen thanks to spoilers. We need something REALLY NEW for everybody, a fresh restart for the whole community to be together. Because at this point PC, Xbox and PS4 players are disconnected from each other. PC players had time to discover Fnix, they are now waiting for something new .
And consoles players are a lot less hyped since they seen spoilers and the PC community already discovered all the secrets of Fnix, discussed it, made tutorials, got the new items… It’s like coming after the end of a party or watching a popular movie months after the release, you just feel “too late”.
For PS4 players it will feel like buying an old game or a second-hand game that everybody else already tried.
Next update, DLC or whatever should be released at the SAME TIME for EVERYBODY.
I watched the video and heard the “apology”. It’s words, it’s easy to say sorry. I don’t care about words, I’m looking for facts and the facts are:
-Update is delayed again for PS4 without a new date. It has been months.
-The game is still boring to play, too hard since April.
-We’ll keep waiting and the wait will only be rewarded by… an old update + a DLC (to buy) that PC players got months ago. Oh and an apology.
-players had to stop playing the game (they bought) because of the difficulty and bugs for months. They wait, again and again and when the problem will finally be solved, no compensation for the pain, the ammo/heal lost against overpowered enemies/bugs, the wait…
I just hate Fnix Rising, all the problems about it, it killed the game. The devs should take care of their players, I’m sure they already lost many of them and a part of the community don’t trust them anymore. They have to give us something truly awesome after Fnix, to gain our trust back or at least keep players.
Right know the GZ community has been cut in 3 parts (pc, ps4, Xbox), all 3 are waiting (pc for something new, consoles for the old update) and the game probably lost many customers with all the problems. The end of GZ will come soon if they keep losing players. Without something really awesome after Fnix, I’ll considered the game dead by December
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Thanks, I know they aren’t milking by delaying. The situation is hard for them but I think they made huge mistakes:
-The April update is a game killer
-Waiting so long to correct this update was a mistake
-Pairing the update with a “big” DLC was a bigger mistake (as a problem with one, cause the delay of the others in both ways)
-releasing the game for just a part of the community was bad, it just disconnected PC and consoles community, Killing the hype and frustrating the consoles community.
-again, splitting community between Xbox and PS4 by releasing the Xbox version while ps4 is delayed.
They just had to release everything for everybody at the same time. This way, they could have work for a patch to solves the difficulty bugs for the whole community at first, delaying the DLC but at least making the game playable again for EVERYBODY.
They took poor decisions again and again. And maybe THIS is about money: They wanted to release the DLC as soon as possible, to get the money fast so they released it on PC and then Xbox as soon as possible. Instead of focusing on the update to make the game playable… They could have made a patch to solve the difficulty on consoles first as it should have been their TOP PRIORITY.
Now I uninstalled GZ after this last delay and my whole team will do the same. The game is a pain to play and we waited long enough. I just used the money I saved for Fnix Rising to buy a Deluxe edition of Avengers (instead of the regular one) and it will become our new coop game.
I loved GZ but the game is way too bad on PS4 actually. You can’t expect players to wait months for such issues to be solved and to finally being able of enjoying the game again.
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Maybe you haven’t noticed but there’s a global pandemic going on. And for someone who says “I’m looking for facts and the facts are”, don’t you think that the fact of there being a pandemic would cause game development to be extremely more difficult?
Yes but you can’t hide all problems behind the pandemic. They made poor decisions of releasing the update separately for PC and then Xbox while players on PS4 can’t play the game actually. Pairing the DLC AND the update was a huge mistake. Not solving the difficulty problem for everybody at the same time was a bad idea too. At one point they should have focused on solving the main difficulty issue, delaying the DLC part, instead of focusing on the whole update+DLC. At one point they choosed to pair the DLC AND update and then they kept working on both while the game is unplayable. Poor decisions that ruined the game. And I guess they just wanted to release the DLC as soon as possible, to get the money. Because it makes no sense to let your game unplayable so long while working on a DLC. They should have delayed the dlc and focus on fixing quickly the difficulty.
And remember, the pandemic isn’t just about the devs. It’s the same problem for everybody. There are players forced to stay at home that cannot enjoy the game since the April update. Players that would like to think of something else than a pandemic by playing video games, guess what ? GZ, a game they bought, is unplayable. Maybe some GZ players got killed by the corona and will never be able to enjoy the game once it will finally be playable again.
A delay is okey with the pandemic situation. But delaying it only for consoles and then only for PS4… It’s disrespectful. It just show us that they wanted to sell their DLC quick, to PC players, ignoring the fact that consoles players weren’t able to play. And now, DLC for Xbox while PS4 can’t play.
If they just corrected the difficulty in May/June and then worked to deliver the DLC for everybody in December it would be better, at least we could still play the game…
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You are only considering this situation is a very 2D way.
Once you factor in the reality of what was expected in a 3D world - you would have taken it better.
I don´t agree with everything he said, but there are some points where he is right:
The major bugs introduced on April should have been fixed a long time ago, there is no argument to be made about that and is the main reason of the discontent by the GZ players.
Delaying the DLC for consoles and then only for PS4 is not well received by those affected, but if the bugs had been fixed with a patch, i believe the Delay would have been easily accepted.
As long as the main game is okay, a DLC delay is just a small detail.
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It’s a reductive argument, it feels like you’re thinking my advice worth less than yours. All advices are personnal and it’s a lot more developped than 2D or 3D.
So you should think about the reason why people might feel like this about the game and all the delay. Because this advice is real so it means the situation push people to think like that. It’s not good or bad, it’s personnal advice. This thread isn’t about defining who’s right or false, it’s about a message on how some mistakes should be corrected and how some players feel about the actual game management.
Thanks for the support, that’s exactly what I’m trying to explain!
If they just quickly fixed the major issues of April, delaying the dlc (and even the additionnal content of the update) would have been okay, I’d even wait 2021 for the DLC.
The real problem is that the main game is broken and it has been let down for months.
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OK my man, you want a breakdown on why here we go.
It’s reductive because your already in a negative mind-set. No matter what happens your personal feelings towards the game cloud you from the reality of whats in front of you. If you take a step back - and look at this as I said from a 3D point of view - you’ll manage your expectations better.
You mentioned that you joined in September of 2019, which clocks 6 months behind release. Those that remember the early days will remember the struggles of basic game-play, missions, and progress through out the map being extremely testing at times. They knew they were in deep, and rectified often with monthly patches, and hot fixes - as they were at full strength.
Once Graham left, the foundations on what they build to form Avalanche, and GenZ was broken. It became extremely difficult to maintain not only the game, but community updates, bug fixes, and tracking online with collectables, and missions surfaced as another real issue.
Fashionista caused a lot of players to shut down, and it took nearly a year for it to be patched correctly. 1 year for one achievement to be fixed, which is totally unacceptable. The team was small - and their backs were against the wall weekly trying to just get it right.
Luckily, SystemicRXN came on board, and started to level things out. Bug fixes were being acknowledged weekly, the community grew in time, and “content” was finally being shared across social media to get it back on track. Alpine Unrest came, Schematics came, Apocalypse came, Experimentals came all above and beyond anything that we expected and had big plans for the FNIX Rising DLC.
But if your so dependent on your core team, and they are taken out of the build process then naturally - they will suffer. And they have, big time. It’s no co-incidence that the main man himself is having to address the community because they don’t like the way it’s gone either and had to do it himself. Now the problem is, that we now live in an instant society. I’m part of Generation X, that are considered the most well adapted to modern life as I lived without the internet. I lived in a world where you didn’t have everything at your fingertips and you had to wait.
They do not have the work force to deliver at the current pace, so you have to manage your expectations, and be patient.
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This was pinned prior to console release.
This has been ongoing since the “August” confirmation
We’re different, it’s nice you know so much about what’s happening “behind the game” and I accept your advice. I don’t agree but you definitely have a good story with the game wich is nice and I hope it will keep going.
Me, I joined the game with friends 3 weeks after the release on PS4, my friends played it day one. We used to play together and it was really fun. Clearly one of the best coop games I played.
Lot of bugs, missions gone lost, characters going under the map… We’ve seen a lot of different bugs in GZ but we kept playing, confident that the game will be fixed. We’ve seen the game growing too, it was nice with some really good additions.
But since April we can’t play anymore. We tried ! Many times ! Facing tons of hunters and harvester. Because we loved this game. But it’s just became boring, the difficulty is so hard and the rewards not worthy. There are still a lot of bugs (flying hunters, disapearing corpses…) and it’s toxic for the game experience. We we’re waiting for the update to correct it. Then PC players got it. Now it’s Xbox players. And PS4 players still have no release date.
What is truly a problem, and I think it’s something that everybody can understand, is that when you buy something, it’s meaned to work or else there is a warranty and it will be replaced or repaired. It’s a bit old school maybe but I think it’s disrespectful to sell a game, then update it and taking so long to actually repaired the game that got broken by the update. If my team and me could simply play together back with the March or February update it would be okay. But we can’t, we’re forced to deal with the April updates and we are still waiting for it to be fixed.
I’m used to wait for new things, it’s not a problem. As I said, I could wait for the new content wayyyyy longer. The problem is that back in March I had a fun game and they broke it with the April update, they broke something I paid. And it’s still not repaired.
It’s like somebody broke your car and then make you wait months to pay the damages back. You paid for it, you used it but because of someone else it’s broken. If the breaker takes too long to pay back and always delay, you’d be angry. Same here.
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I love your idea, it’s a fun bet !
About the wait, I even said that it would be okay for me if they totally/permanently delete the DLC to be able to just fix the basic game. I can wait for new contents or be happy without any, I just would like to get the actual game fixed.
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Well, perhaps it’s not just me who thinks GZ product management is turning into a farce after all (or a tragedy more likely). I have a really hard time playing along with all the excuses about pandemic and whatnot. Programmers can, probably more that anyone else, work effectively from home, so … please! I agree with @DarkAngelLord95 that poor decisions were made and the DLC should never have been released before the game was made playable again. For all platforms. I have played the game less and less, and recently I’ve simply lost interest in GZ. And, as most people probably remember, I was very loyal and dedicated to GZ. It is a pity and very poor handling of the existing customer base. And I don’t easily give up on things I like. I’m still eagerly looking forward to the release of HalfLife 3!
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It´s not just you, and you are right, poor decisions and a poor handling of the remaining customer base brought us here.
Most of the fans have lost interest or just moved on, that can even be seen in a small scale here, in the forum, there were a lot of people really interested in the game, where are they now?
Most users moved on, you are one of the few “social users” from before, they are all gone now.
It´s sad that many people remained with the game during the difficult times (March 2019 September 2019) when the game had crashes all the time, but moved on when it was beginning to get better, i guess 5 months without fixing a mistake they introduced was the last nail in the coffin.
So yes, it´s a tragedy, even if the game gets “right” (which i think it will) the hype is gone, most loyal users are gone, future DLCs are in risk of never happening, you don´t buy when you don´t trust the product right?
What if this happens again? (Introducing major bugs and don´t correcting them for months)
So i just hope i´m exaggerating and that we get to see future expansions on the next 12 months, i would love to witness that.
Half Life 3? Maybe in 2030 
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The forums are far from a window into the genuine player base of generation zero. You can see from the healthier facilities of generation zeros community that there actually hasn’t been that big of a loss. Ie; Facebook, discord, my youtube channel.
In terms of player base, up until the last month things have been as usual, though over August we have seen some losses, its no different than its been this entire time since launch in terms of fluctuation.
People have left the forums due to threads like these, no one wants to continually debate their fandom for a game, let alone on a forum that is centered around said game. They have in no way left the game.
You can say as many hyperboles as you can type, and vehemently rant all you want, but it doesn’t mean you’re right.
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Okay, folks, lets turn the heat down and remain civil when discussing about the game.
Ranting doesn’t give anything constructive to the discussion other than creating additional conflicts between members and maybe, make the ranter to feel a tiny bit better. But for sure, it doesn’t make the update to come any faster.
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