Well said! I’m often confused with the be everything to everyone trend in games. I like the clear sense of direction Gen Zero went with and feel like the Product owner has a vision which is key
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You couldn’t possibly survive in this environment by “building a base”. It would only be question of time before the machines found out where it was and then they’d besiege it until you were dead. You’d have to keep moving to stay alive. Now, i have a favourite safe house, yes I do, but that’s because the boxes in it continually contain cool stuff. I suppose it would benefit from a wall with a couple of good firing positions, but what for? I have to keep going to find out where everybody is and save the world. I don’t want to live here!
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That’s fair, and entirely valid. If i bought something and it was drastically changed in a way i didn’t want i’d jump ship as well! I just wanted to be the voice of the other guy when it comes to the pro’s and cons of adding those things. But i can definitely agree with a lot of the opinions here.
Thank you, and you have a great weekend too! 
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I’d tend to agree with @Bootie on this one. It just doesn’t make contextual sense in the portrayed situation to hole up somewhere. Put simply, you don’t build castles to protect against stronger enemies, you build them so you don’t have to worry about weaker enemies (and peasant revolts).
Regardless of where you choose, you’ll eventually be found by the bots. If you happened to chose a place like a bunker, you’ll end up in a siege situation if you’re lucky (remember, bots seem to have all the access codes), so just waiting to die from starvation. If you chose somewhere you can escape from easily, you’ll pretty much need to run regardless, so you’re wasting effort to build up a base.
Even if you had a reasonable community to work with like you have in some of the better zombie survival games, you still have to contend with military grade weapons being pointed at you. All it would take is 3-4 tanks and a dozen or so hunters to wipe out a community located almost anywhere except a bunker (put differently, if tanks used proper sequenced fire with their MLRS pods and mortars and actually lead people, a pair of them would be an impossible battle for a solo player, and three would be a terrifying challenge for a group of four players), and if you are in a bunker, it’ll be a siege pretty quickly (which is just made worse by having more people).
The reason it works at all logically for zombie games is the significant discrepancy in firepower in favor of the players. Zombies (usually) can’t attack from range, and on top of that are typically slow enough to pick off with careful shots. In GZ though, the machines have a pretty decisive advantage in pretty much everything except intelligence (and the end-game dialog makes me fairly certain that they’re intentionally being stupid for some reason), so building a fortress just isn’t feasible.
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I think crafting would be a good addition, to be able to make use of modified parts on machines even more to augment stuff, even have a craftable melee section where utilising parts can make a melee weapon that can actually deal damage to a machine (Like a electric baton that stuns kinda deal). But I am in agreement with Ahferroin, base building wouldn’t be feasable in a game where being on the run is what keeps you alive, I mean look what happened to literally all of the settlements when hunters and tanks start rolling in.
Maybe though instead of base building, base improvements could be made, things like defenses, more storage, traps around the pre-existing bases to help improve the situations where it feels like a million tanks and hunters are barraging you while you are holed up in a church, something to make you feel like you are just a little safer, using machine parts to make said traps or reinforcement would also be a good way to entice people to look for a fight and to get machine parts. I dunno, just some thoughts.
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That’s very valid, I was simply looking from the side of adding variety to the main game play loop.
For the bunker code thing though, that could kinda kill two birds with one stone… if say we were to get a base in the form of a bunker that we could deck out and customize then having hordes of robots trying to take it on would be kinda fun in my opinion, it would be something that we would need to feel compelled to defend for it to be worthwhile, but maybe that could be something to it too. And it would give the much asked for horde mode that keeps popping up now that a lot of players have beat the game.
Again i’m just of the opinion that i’d like anything and everything the devs decide to do with GZ, as long as it’s not loot boxes or microtransactions 
I have to agee and disagree. Base building like Minecraft on a fly doesn’t make sense. Fortifying a safe house or maybe a random house does make sense. In the woods I’d says deploying some kind of object to give you cover. Allowing both scenarios to lay or mount your weapons for greater stability would also be another nice feature. All things red dawn. I want a crafting system also to be on the fly. Trip wires. Timed explosives. That sort. Poor mans jamesbond effect. We’re Gorilla fighters taking down 2 ton terrors! I want glorious opportunities to open strategies to devastate the enemy. So I’m half for it. Just not a full blown ark/7days/Minecraft style. I play no mans sky for my builder game needs.
*A survival system or extra mode would make more sense over base building. So I’m with you on adding more challenges in game.
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I have no idea why people want melee weapons! I have been around heavy machinery all my life and this much I can tell you. Machines are hard and spiky and human beings are soft and squishy, and the two don’t mix in close proximity. You can hit a machine - it doesn’t care, and a human being cannot exert enough force to do any damage to something 14 feet high. It would be absurd. Go and hit a zombie - it’s as squishy as you are.
As for traps - we already have traps. And you can lay mines and go away, but whatever you destroy has respawned before you get back - what’s the point?
Even when I was in the Royal Marines my idea of close hand-to-hand fighting was being sat 200 yards away with an SLR, which would strike with a force of 3,000 ft/lbs. The only way you could exert that amount of force would be to fall on the machine out of an aeroplane.
Guerillas (and I have fought them) must have multiple transitory bases, because any pattern can be seen, worked out and then they are the ones ambushed, and walking into the tripwires…
Some of us seem to be wishing that the game were something it is not.
What we do need is new areas to explore, new developments in machine strategy, or a way to defeat the machines by hitting their central brain - but that might be miles away on the mainland. Alternatively, a way to turn many machines and have pitched battles with your machines (blue piping) and you fighting their machines (red piping). That might be fun. I hated the airport mission just because I was so overwhelmed by numbers and couldn’t find a way out to recover. A few rocket firing dogs would have evened it up nicely.
P.S. actually a pair of wire-cutters would be nice. Possibly an oxy-acetyline torch. Okay, more tools which you could find in anyone’s garage…
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I never exepcted so many people to respond keep it up the devs need some of this advice to make generation zero better
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For dealing with the tanks and harvesters, yeah, a melee weapon doesn’t make sense. Beyond that though, I think you’re misunderstanding what some people are thinking of for melee weapons here. I’m not talking a combat knife when I say I want melee weapons, I’m talking big two-handed stuff that you can use inertia to maximize the effectiveness of, like a sledgehammer, or a mattock, or an ice axe. Stuff that gives you decent reach which you don’t have to be super strong to swing with a lot of force, yet is still well within reason to find in rural Sweden in 1989.
Put differently, in real life I’m far from athletic and have very little upper body strength, yet I can still swing a 5kg sledgehammer horizontally (so, without using gravity to my advantage at all) with enough force to break cinder blocks because I properly take advantage of the leverage gained by shortening my grip across the arc of the swing.
If we translate that to the apparent in-game strength of the characters, that’s more than enough force to send a tick flying a few hundred meters and ensure it never gets up again. I suspect it’s also more than enough to knock a runner out of the air without much difficulty, and probably seriously damage it too. Now imagine doing that with an ice axe or a mattock, both of which will focus the force on a much smaller area than the sledgehammer would.
What I want melee weapons for isn’t dealing with big stuff, it’s so I don’t have to waste ammo on small stuff.
However, I do think tools would be an interesting addition. Bolt cutters might be useful too (and you could probably use them as a club to swat ticks).
I would absolutly love melee weapons to bash some runners with
Okay, I get the desire, but the only thing you could hit would be a tick, and if you hit it with all your strength you might hit it ten metres, and you would damage/destroy it. A runner is about 6ft tall and travelling (when it gets into its melee stride) at perhaps 20 miles per hour. Travelling at that speed there is nothing you could swing which would even make it change direction, let alone stop it in mid-air, which is what people are talking about!
If it’s within five yards of you, a runner is in a run, but if it were standing still, you wouldn’t be able to pick it up - it would be much too heavy for that. Think of a ride-on mower travelling at 20 miles an hour (35kph), in mid-air, and you want to hit it with a sledgehammer for some reason, instead of just getting out of the way. It wouldn’t notice the blow, it would not change direction, it certainly would not be stopped.
So let’s try this. You create a ramp at the bottom of a steep hill. Stand in front of that with your sledgehammer, while you friends line up a ride-on mower at hte top of the hill. They then let it go and it rushes down the hill, hits the ramp and flies up into the air towards your face. You swing your sledgehammer to try and stop it and really, good luck with that! :))
Tick, yes, but they come from all directions at once…
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I do still think that something like a sledgehammer could do some damage but I just realized that something would have to change about the robots always jumping at you when you get close to them.
A simple melee with the butt of the gun would suffice. Hitting ticks and bashing windows out. That would be a nice extra. Even if we had a 20 lb sledge it would do much on a runner. Judging by the size I’d estimate it’s weight over 300 lbs of steel easy. Though I could see it being used as a finisher after they’re dropped from gun fire. Maybe a form of fully deleting that bot from respawn if gamers want a goal of wiping all bots off the island. Than it be nice to have a reset when done.
Even if the runner is 300 pounds, hitting it cross-ways with a 20 pound sledgehammer swung properly while it’s in midair is still going to kill some momentum and knock it a little off course. Yeah, it won’t stop it, and yeah, it will still hit you, but it’s going to be hitting a bit slower at an angle that’s less advantageous to it. And if you hit the head, or the gun, or the fuel cell, those will probably be destroyed by the sledgehammer (anything that can be shot off with a bullet from a .32 ACP handgun should be trivially possible to knock off with a sledgehammer swung with full force).
Damaging optical systems, small mounted .32 acp weapons could work. I’ve busted up thousands of cast iron tubs as a home remodeler or others would call home renovations. It takes a sweet ton of hits to break chunks of half inch material, grant you that is cast iron. I’m sure the bots are developed with hardened forged steel for frames and is possibly about 1/4 -1/2 inch thick steel. But that goes with out saying hydraulic lines/systems, modular components would easily be damaged as well rendering a bot near disabled. There’s also a rebound affect that happens when you collide metal to metal with that kind of force and weight. The force isn’t fully absorbed in the object your hitting, you’ll tend to absorb it some and it weakens your hands after awhile… I wouldn’t want to hit the gas line. Maybe puncture it to cause a leak.
I think the melee like this could well it would works if the melee object is modified. Pointed tip head. add a scifi boosting mechanic to push full force into it could prevent absorption into the player and fully into the object. Also reduce the weight to 10 lbs with a mild steel or aluminum alloy framed handle for greater integrity. Wood would just fail after so much abuse from nicking the handle.
Come to think of it a pick axe would also do or even do greater damage especially if you hit it in a vital area and pry it out since it’s design has good leverage.
I still think exo suit concepts would open melee up too. From small like we see in fallout with a fist frame hydraulic gauntlet to a cage welded gutted hunter we can run around in to punch and kick and slam lol. So I see possibilities are endless with melee. Just not your typical FPS weapons. Man i miss playing dying light
There’s a reason I suggested an ice axe, a good one pretty much fits this to a tee, and you can get them with meter plus long handles (so good leverage and good reach).
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I as well get the desire but the reality is as you said unless they make them super weapons. I think they should add them though & make them as useless as they in-fact would be just so I could read all the comments asking for them to be buffed…Seriously. I do not mean to sound like a jerk but seriously could you imagine the comments from people if they made them do like 1/2 point of damage with every hit, made people fully power it back to swing them & made them use your stamina…I would love to read those after release…lol. Anyway I agree with you on this one.
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As long as it means I wouldn’t have to waste ammo on ticks, I could care less about how much they do to anything else. Damaging runners and seekers would be nice, but the biggest issue I personally have with the lack of melee weapons (other than being unrealistic) is that it means you have to use ammo on ticks.
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