Suggestion for new weapon packs (HCotW tie in, Old War packs)

[Ovion]

I did my best to make all the weapons suggested interesting, and bring something different to the table.
These would probably want alternate names in game to match / for legal. I’ve included existing alternate names from HCotW and suggestions for alternate names in itallics.

Hunter (Call of the Wild) Weapon Pack
Marlin Model 1894 (Coachmate Lever) (.44 magnum lever action rifle)
12G double-barrel shotgun (could be called that, or Strecker SxS)
Winchester Model 1901 (Miller Model 1901) (12g lever action shotgun)
This is just a fun tie-in, that allows a classic double-barrel shotgun, a unique type of rifle and a fun alternative shotgun.
These would be the same as the HCotW weapons, just chambered differently - I chose the ones I did in part because they had these other calibers available

German Old War Weapon Pack
Karabiner 98k (Gevär m/39) (7.92×57mm Mauser bolt action rifle)
Mauser C96 (Rugga 1912) (9mm select fire Machine Pistol)
MG 42 (MG3) (7.92×57mm Mauser LMG - could also be chambered in 7.62mm)
The K98k is an iconic, prolific and effective rifle, still in use during the 80’s and 90’s. 8mm Mauser would hit hard enough to hurt the machines, and set it apart as a bolt action battle rifle. Would also want its specific scope added ideally.
The C96 is another prolific item, which also adds a select-fire pistol which is something not in the game.
The MG42 is the granddaddy LMG, which would provide a higher rof, less controllable LMG than the KVM59 and N60

Soviet Old War Weapon Pack
Mosin–Nagant (Solokhin MN1890) (7.62×54mmR Bolt Action Rifle (so 7.62mm))
PPSh-41 (Papasha 41) (7.62×25mm Tokarev SMG - could also be chambered in 9mm)
PTRS-41 (PzB 784) (14.5×114mm Anti-Tank Rifle)
The mosin is the same as the Kar98k in being iconic, prolific and still in use, providing a bolt-action 7.62 rifle, while maybe not the most exciting, it’s a must have.
The PPSh is a classic SMG, and would fill a similar niche to the MG42.
The PTRS is a Soviet competitor to the PVG90, with higher damage and a lower rate of fire.

US Old War Weapon Pack
M1 Garand (M1 Iwaniec) (7.62mm Semi-Auto Rifle)
Thompson M1A1 (Kulsprutepistol m/40) (.45acp SMG)
M2 Flamethrower (Flamethrower) (The bots get it, now so can we! Could probably use Fuel Cells for ammo)
The uniqueness in the US pack is weakest, but they are all very iconic.
The Garand is a given in a classic weapons pack, as a semi-auto Rifle it does overlap with the Kotonek and S21 a little, but neither of those go ping.
The Thompson is the same in many regards. But a high damage, low rof controllable SMG.
And the main ‘difference point’ - the Flamethrower. We already use fire ammo on the machines, and they use flamethrowers on us, so having that as an option would be fantastic.

Old War Weapons Bundle
German + Soviet + US Old War Weapon Packs.
All 3 packs, at a slight discount (~5-10%), I feel like a US weapons mini-bundle would be nice too

[Swe111]

How whould any of these weapons be in some swedish islands in the 80s?

1. The first is the most lore friendly of these, while i have never seen or heard of a hunter in Sweden using those kinds of rifles (exept the shotgun) so how whould they be there?
2. The K98k whould not work, we had our own mauser in Sweden so that whould be better. I have no idea how the C96 whould be there too. And the only way the MG42 whould be there if we find a Leopard 2 tank. Sweden have them but only on tanks.
3. How soviet weapons whould end up in östertörn could maybe be by the soviets but they whoulnt use the old things.
4. Again none of these where in Sweden.

Sweden wasnt in ww2 so there whouldnt be any reason to have all of these weapons just being there.

Sorry for being maybe rude to your post but i hope you can respect my opinion.

[Ovion]

The Hunter Call of the Wild pack is all weapons available in the world from before 1900 - how they got there would be hunters, but this pack suggestion is in large part about the fun of the tie in, so the big thing was could be there.
Hunter already has some stuff from Gen Zero, so it’d be neat it going the other way.

For the Old War packs:
The K98k is everywhere. There were over 14.6 million made. They are still in service today.
They were used by the swedish military for a while in 1939 (the Gevär m/39)- over 5,000 were sent in that order, and many more would have easily trickled in otherwise.
The c96 was pretty common too, with millions made, in military, police and military service across europe and china from 1896 to 1937 - it wouldn’t be unreasonable to be available.

The MG42/MG3 is still in production today, and in service around the world - they’d entirely possibly be found here and there, and are prime candidates for dropped aid weapons tbh.

The Mosin is still used today, there’s millions of them too, and they are also found most places pretty easily, including being made in finland next door - so it being findable or sent as aid is again, not unrealistic.

The PPSH is less common, though readily found in nearby countries, but I would entirely be open to other suggestions there.

The PTRS though, was still in service with soviet forces, so it’d be entirely reasonable to see them being brought by the soviets for anti-tank use.

The entire US pack would easily be explained by US weapon drops, unloading their surplus (at this point the M2 was just out of service, and they were decided what to do with them, and they had loads of M1’s and M1A1’s)

Ultimately, all the Old War Weapons were either prolific across europe and the world, with many still in use or production in the 80’s (and some today) and readily available in most places, with significant numbers found in swedens neighbours - so either from collections, museums, or military aid they wouldn’t be hard to see dropped there.
Just like the US weapon packs.

And no worries about asking questions.

[Mr_A1992]

We still dont have a good automatic shotgun but you want to have these weapons from call of the wild…dont really know what to say, they dont seem very useful against machines.

Now, about the others…

Only the MG42 makes some sense.
Everything else is not useful.
Those weapons are not powerful enough to destroy machines.
You are no longer hunting powerless animals.
The Kotenok is already not powerful and the TWAD has a very small clip.

• Thompson has 20 clip
• Garand has 8 and would have lower damage
• The same with Karabiner 98 k and Mosin Nagant.
• The PPSH-41 has an HORRIBLE recoil and a low maximum range to fire.
• The PTRS would not be as good as the PVG90 i can garantee

Anyone can use these weapons playing several Call of duty and Battlefield games.

GZ is not the place for them.

[Krenn_System]

I really love the idea of that Old War packs!

[Ovion]

See, this is rudely presented.
Swe was worried about it, and this just is. xD

There was no viable Automatic shotgun in the 80’s.
The earliest was the USAS that went into dev ~89, started production in the early 90’s, and was commercially available in the mid-90’s.
The AA12 had 10 prototypes made by 2004, despite research starting in '72. It was not a viable, functional weapon till 2005.

You say they don’t seem very useful against the machines - it’s a .44 magnum rifle (.44 mag already in the game, and capable), and a pair of 12g shotguns - one a cosmetic alternative to the pump action, and one the classic double barrel.
The point of the pack is fun.

You also say ‘not hunting powerless animals’ - despite having .32acp, 9mm, birdshot, .243, and 5.56 capable of penetrating and destroying tank armour.
If we’re arguing ‘realistic ballistics vs tank plating’ then basically nothing in the game will function vs the machines.

• Thompson has a base 20 round magazine, but extended mags are still a thing.
• The Garand would do more damage than the G3 (about 10% more energy out of the Garand), and yeah it use 8 round clips to load, but it wouldn’t be unviable.
• The same with Karabiner 98 k and Mosin Nagant.
• As I said, the PPSH is a weaker option choice wise, but iconic, and I’m open to alternatives. I just couldn’t think of or see any ‘better’ alternatives for the mid-weapon there.
• The PTRS hits harder than the Barret, but slower with shorter range. The 14.5mm rounds get about twice the penetration vs flat plate as the 50cal does.

You can use lots of guns in lots of games - that is not remotely an argument against things being included in any game.
Especially if your alternative is to go play boring games.

Basically none of what you said is particularly accurate, or an argument against them.

[Mr_A1992]

Actually the SPAS 12 shotgun was alread in use at that time in history.
It would be betther than the 5 mag semi auto shotgun we have in GZ.

Im not going to write 10 responses about why not.
And will not discuss this much further, what I said is enough of a reason.
I will also add just a few more points.

• If we keep getting new weapons, the storage will need a few more levels of storage later
• If we would get those weapons which are not that much" wanted", then why not have a lot of other weapons? More Soviet and american weapons, from the 50s to the 90s?
• Sometimes too much is too much.

There are far better weapons to be introduced if you want to fill some gaps

List of 20th-century weapons

There, we have a gigantic list with some of your weapons!
Many are very interesting
Most are more useful and interesting than the ones you proposed.

Also having a PSG1 Sniper rifle would fill the gap we have between PVG90 and other rifles.

With this i will stop, we cant have all the weapons ingame we want, we would then have the “choosing weapon syndrome” where you have so much to choose from you would not know and we would not have enough space.

PS: Did not understood the “boring” game part, You consider those games boring, or do you consider most games besides GZ boring?
I consider Hunting games and PVP games boring, but that is not relevant over here.
Best place to use the weapons you said is indeed those franchise games i said or similar clones and some action titles.

[Ovion]

The SPAS is a semi-auto/ pump action, so… not even the same argument there… as we already have a semi-auto and pump action, mechanically the SPAS would be the same, except for… having a 5/6/7/8 mag tube, so… not really any different to the lever action.

The ONLY point you’ve made, that is relevant and that I agree with is each DLC weapon pack should increase the plundra storage (probably by ~10 units).
That should be a default thing imo.

What you are doing otherwise though, is rudely presenting false info and opinion as factual counterpoints.
You’re declaring for everyone things ‘aren’t much wanted’, based on your opinion.
You’re declaring in that list of weapons in the 20th century ‘most are more useful’, despite… most being equivalent, with a bunch being worse…
Then suggest a PSG1, that is a marksman spec G3 (so AG4) with a 5/10/20 round mag.
I basically already have a PSG1 in game.

Lookit that, a marksman spec G3 - it’s basically the MSG90, which is the militarised version of the PSG1.
I’m starting to think you just don’t understand firearms my guy.

• to the PS, the boring part was specifically to CoD and BF, as that is what you suggested.
  If in your opinion, you don’t want to see these in the game, that’s fine - but just say that.
  As again, you’re presenting false info as a reason your opinion is an objective reason against it, then ‘can’t be bothered to explain’.

The idea here was a bit of fun, with some interesting options that I (and I think others, though hardly everyone) would happily slap money down for.

[Mr_A1992]

• Having a shotgun with more shells capacity is obviously the objective, Spas 12 was one possible weapon for that objective, or they could give a 10 shells mag for the one we already have.

• The same principle for the PSG1, or another similar sniper rifle, it increases range and damage, anyone can see its based on the G3 by going to wikipedia.
  The objective is to fill the gap between rifles.

• The list was presented to make a point, that any weapon could be asked to appear ingame and that many are superior and make more sense to appear ingame instead of your suggestions.

But you did not like to receive negative feedback, and you are now trying to turn the game around, when all i did was being direct and making an evaluation of the suggestion based in weapons utility, history and enviroment of the Generation Zero.

• For you, anything i say is presented as being bias, false or not well fundamented.

If it the idea was to have a “bit of fun” then do it in the community section, not the feedback, lets bring laser and plasma weapons to the game then.

Make the responses you wish, i will no longer respond, you remind me of someone that was banned for being an a%%.

[Ovion]

You didn’t make ‘negative feedback’.
You can see above, I engaged directly with civil feedback.
You made factually incorrect statements, presented opinion as fact, and when called on it play the victim, insult me, and say I should be banned.

[VladTheInhaler]

I always thought that a .44 lever action and a double barrel shotgun would be a great addition to the game. Another .44 and 12 gauge would be nice and the lever action would basically be a new class of weapon.

The .44 would be sort of like a hunting rifle optimized for close to mid range, with a higher fire rate and capacity at the cost of limited ranged performance and only reloading one round at a time. The double barrel could have the highest damage of the shotguns in exchange for a very limited capacity.

Not to mention they’d fit in the setting well, as guns left over by civilian hunters.

[Madchaser]

What about some very new weapons instead of old or overall real ones?

We’re in war with machines for some years now.
Not many left. Almost none but us players get around finding weapons and ammo.
So why don’t take use of what the survivors have got? Spareparts, weapons, materials, components of destroyed machines…

It could be calles “Resistance fighter weapon pack” and could include some really crazy but not overpowered weapons… New melee weapons included.

[Zesiir]

Agree to disagree with eachother, guys. And leave room for others to post. The moment the namecalling starts, I’m locking this thread.

//Mod

[Ovion]

As far as I’m aware, in game, in story, its only been a few months, so just progressed into early '90.

I’d be down for some more fnix experiementals though, which would be an easy way to implement that.

[VladTheInhaler]

An experimental AG 5 or KVM 89 would be nice, so we could finally have an experimental weapon in 5.56.

[Fwerkie]

A lot of those guns look promising, however I’d like to point out that the original M1 Garand was chambered in 30-06 Springfield. This would make it far more powerful (and useful). And no disrespect, I really do think that a lot of those guns are great, but…7.62 is majorly overused. Vastly, like, inordinately. Its like the throwaway caliber of generation zero. I’d love to see these guns implemented, but if there just gonna be revamps of the M4, S21 and Kotenok, I think I’ll pass.

Don’t get me wrong, they really are promising, but it would only be worth it to add them if their going to add something new ammo-wise. Some of those shotguns looked good, and I love the idea of the .44 lever. But we can’t make an amazing, powerful weapon like the M1 Garand into a 7.62 plinker.

[Swe111]

Well i am going to say this fast, this is not against someone itis just what i think.
This is not the US or any post ww2 nation (that did fight in the war). Wedont have old ww2 weapons around the country like in the US. And i have never heard or seen anyone have an lever action rifle in Sweden. The MG42 is the only one i feel like whould work well. It is a powerful machinegun and that is good against machines. The K98 whould be better if it was the Swedish mauser isntead as that weapon in the 80s could be found here and there.

[Terrorrobot]

I’ve bought all dlcs so far to support the devs. But WW2 weapons packs is something I would not buy. Why wouldn’t I do that? The weapons are obsolete and has been replaced by better more modern weapons. And you find weapons all the time in the game so I don’t need weapons no industrialized nations use anymore except for 3rd world countries with limited economy.

[Fwerkie]

Well, we already have US weapons in game, so finding more wouldn’t be that weird of a thing. Also, just because something is old doesn’t automatically mean it’s obsolete. Power is power, so adding guns that have more powerful ammo is not a bad idea in my opinion. Even if they happen to be old.

To be fair, it’s true that Sweden did not participate in WW2, but they also didn’t get invaded by giant robots, so I think realism doesn’t completely apply in GZ.

[Terrorrobot]

If it’s not considered obsolete why did they replace them in the first place. The germans went to war with kar98 and when it ended they had Stg44. And they would probably have replaced most kar98 if they could have manufactured more stg44s. Weapons development goes forward and makes older weapons not so useful on the battlefield anymore. I do like the älgstudsare that’s more or less like a kar98. But that’s just because it’s a good sniper against runners early in the game.