Depends on the game, I guess. With Fallout/Elder Scrolls, I feel there’s generally not much point in even starting them without a fair amount of mods.
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Honestly, I am a little confused about what this topic is supposed to be about. I’m not even going to pretend I’ve sat down and read every post in it.
It almost seems like you are asking why people are asking for certain things that don’t fit the original theme of the game but your strange made-up quotes make it more like you are making fun of people that want different things than you and comes across as rude.
it’s not hard to understand why people make suggestions, they think what they are suggesting would make the game more fun for them.
Personally I think that the developers have done a good job of implementing some suggestions like bikes and storage without changing the original style of the game. The experimental weapons kind of feel slightly out of place but are they really more out of place than your own suggestion of alien weapons?
I’ve got the game on release and have seen many suggestions that I thought were kind of strange and I have probably made a few that other people disagree with. You have every right to plead your case for or against other people’s ideas but I wish you would be a little more respectful when you do.
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@kakarron
Well , this topic has branches, sir.
It’s like a growing tree, spreading out.
VERY interesting branches were touched.
Yet, I do get you, sir, it began as a thing I felt so strongly about, I just… had to share it.
I did not even expect replies, truthfully.
Yet…
Such a marvel, this community is. 
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"Xogger ‘’ the blogger , the forum gave you a very good name 
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@TherotcoD
Heheheh, they sure did!! XD
Here’s something to tell you, how bad I have it with this game, and NO, from a… well… positive? side.
What I mean with that is: from a society/medical point of view it’s BAD.
And this OFTEN happens to me in various ways…
I was on a balcony.
Missile dog below, I heard him, saw him before, but he walked up and down RIGHT below me.
And I ACTUALLY leaned forward, trying to look over the FRIKKEN FENCE!!!
SERIOUSLY???
When I get in, that is MY level of immersion… I “become” the game.
I NEVER have it in a movie.
I noticed this in not even a handful of games, and by God, I played SO many…
But GZ just has that effect on me…
In-fuckin-credible (excuse me for my French here), that is just what a grasp this game has on me.
It is, to me, THAT frikken incredible!!!
My GOD, Avalanche…
What a splendor you made…
OMG, those first days, BRUTAL, but DAMNED what a sheer BRILLIANCE…
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Interesting point, @pegnose . Quake did it right, and that’s why it’s almost immortal. Modders gave us CTF and Team Fortress, the birth of class based teamplay, amongst other things. But then back in the day, once it was shipped it was shipped. You got what you bought unless you sought out patches. Old-school games are not a great comparison to today’s games where (as I’m learning) one thinks it’s sold as a final unit but yet the innards keep changing with various updates. What does EoL look like these days? I can still run Quake today, but now with steam, tethered “experiences” and a EULA claiming the right to revoke access to the game on my system at any time, I’m genuinely unsure what EoL is like these days.
@Xogroroth Have you played Alien: Isolation by any chance? I get the feeling you could immerse in that pretty well.
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Pffft. I’ve never had anything worth taking from a Harvester of any description. I take the medkit and move on. I only kill them because I enjoy being a bully occasionally. Never seen a decent weapon from a Tank either. Xezr, bless him gave me a 5* AG4, 'cos I couldn’t get one anywhere.
All the drop algorithms are random - I used to be desperate for 7.62 ammo - couldn’t get it anywhere, except FNIX Tanks would drop it - 200 at a time - oh, the joy! But even for me, it changes. I’m always short of something. I see people with 100 adrenaline shots. What??? I’ve NEVER got up to 20. Ever. HE rounds - I’ve got a max of 16 at any one point. Got 9mm SMG coming out of my ears. Don’t even talk to me about pistol ammo - I could build a fort with it - I use a pistol once in every ten hours gameplay. Random, not game change.
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Xogger, my dear boy - I do exactly the same. And try to peer round the edge of the screen.
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Well, that, sir… I think… is true immersion…
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Generation Zero isn’t made by the same team that made Just Cause 3. The devs working on it are a small, in-house group based in Stockholm.
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Well, I basically mean that no new content is coming. Maybe some minor bug fixes, but in terms of GZ: the definite end to new islands, story additions, DLCs, and the like. From a player’s perspective.
From the studio’s perspective it would be the end of successful monetization (or a steep decline at least). This is what other companies do in many tech-related areas. When something does not sell anymore (or never really sold), you suddenly see it becoming open source or open hardware.
I got bored with that one after like half of the game. Too repetitive for my taste.
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What level are you, Bootie? I have seen gold weapon and attachment drops increase significantly on approaching the level cap.
If you leave the pistol at home, you get less ammo for it.
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Oh 29 or 30 - I spent ages not doing missions, just exploring and looking for better weapons, avoiding combat and minding my own business. I kill things that make mistakes.
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Maybe time to give it another try. Are you playing without exp weapons? What is your preferred load-out?
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I feel like this is a failing of GZ in particular. I never felt like they kept stealth-ruining, say, my installation of Borderlands without my say-so. (More DLC was offered for that on a semi-frequent basis, and then you could buy or not buy it. As it should be.)
That said, it is of course an ongoing nuisance with MMOs. You take great care to learn the complex system and make good build, then they change everything around and throw away your investment with no respect for your time. I’m sure working out new builds brings the community together and lets them bond through shared suffering, but that may just be a bridge too far for me in terms of cynicism.
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With MMOs it’s about commerce. They’re built around sugar, and you have to change things around to either maintain subscriptions, or sell the in-game currency. Forcing a respec does a similar thing. The sunk cost of your time is supposed to encourage you to stay, as is the social aspect of the guild system. You don’t want to miss out on the new instance and let down your friends, do you? I can see why they do as you describe, even if I’m not personally a fan.
Stand-alone games aren’t directly affected by those two issues, and I struggle with the retention argument for play-time (is it just the hyper-networked beliefs that we’ll only buy things we seen played on social media or listed as popular on steam?), so I have less sympathy for studios intent on “stealth-ruining” the game, as you put it.
I haven’t played a lot of modern games to be able to judge just how GZ specific this issue is. I’ll take your word for it. I do or did play No Man’s Sky, and while their devs added multiplayer, vehicles, base building, more multiplayer, more base building, VR, amateur electricians, creature milking and reworked almost all QoL, item management, and procedural assets, the core of it is somehow still the same. Different, by a large degree, but still somehow the same.
Someone, I think pegnose, described DLCs as being like field trips, and I quite like that description.
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They can have that by selling access to new areas, new cosmetics (dresses, mounts, pets, etc.), and so on.
Maybe it works on average.
Speaking for myself though, in the one game where I was a casual player, coming back and realizing everything had changed got a reaction of, “I have no time to learn this all over”, at which point I stopped playing for two years or so. That’s a lot of mounts I didn’t buy. Also, a subscription canceled. Even if I decide to return, all my guilds will have kicked me by now, so retention is certainly not a given.
As for a the game I was serious about, I was a newbie helper and a tank in it (in a game small enough that every tank mattered), creating fun for people for free within the game, and being an advocate without.
When they changed the system, I stopped doing all those things, and started telling everyone what a piece of shit the game had become. I will also never buy from them again.
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Well, they’re also whale hunting, and thankfully that model can’t fit here.
I have a similar story (I was a combat healer), so I totally get what you’re saying. It sucks when the fun fades, but it’s good you got out instead of coasting on nostalgia. I think studios and publishers fail to value the benefits players like you bring to the game. If it’s at all social, you’re helping build their successful platform, and it shouldn’t be underrated.
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I was in for one Anarchy Online.
Had a lvl 100’ish Agent in lvl 200+'isch droid type armour, with a 209 level sniper rifle.
I got a minor ban for it, got SO mad, wrote a very angry mail to the GM that had banned me, explaining HOW I twinked (that is how they called tweaking back then) into that gear.
And a day later, they wrote me back: Our sincere apologies, we tried it ourself, the math… is correct…
You have been unbanned immediately.
1 week later a patch was issued, they nuked this build.
It took me 2!!! months to work it out!!!
Not the math, that was fairly simple, but to get the items in place, the people, and all done i only had 5 minutes to actually get into the stuff, which had to be done in precise order…
Guild Wars: now here I had more luck.
55HP monk.
To work this one out I needed three weeks, of combining skills, work out gear, … testing…
It was IMMEDIATELY tagged as cheating (by players).
Took three weeks (LOL) for a GM to get in and check me out.
He did not speak, he just watched me, and then he said something like: “WOOW, dude, that’s ONE fine build.” lol.
This one lived a lot longer, but got nerfed too.
Now, nerfing is GOOD!
Not even kidding, it’s AWESOME.
I was FAR OP, but LEGAL still.
No cheating, no exploiting, simple pure math taken outside the box.
But that folks kept harassing me, not understanding…
For AO, you were MEANT to twink your character, and the better you did, well…
I took it a tad extreme. lol.
And for GW… I used it not for anything else but for farming FOR OTHERS.
But… OP yes.
And nerfed, which was great.
Were two fun rides though…