The Final Showdown Update (12th dec) - rumours and discussion (wiki)

[Madchaser]

Releasedate: 12th december

Generation Zero Showdown Update Announcement Trailer

Everything you find about the new update:
Post it here.

Discuss about possible bug fixes and quality of life improvements, where the new location could be and how the new experimentals could look like and work.

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Experimental weapons

Short: exp AI-76, exp HP5 and exp Sjöqvist

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From the original base game weapons we’re missing experimental versions for:

• the brännboll bat
• the möller
• the sjöqvist
• the HP5
• the AI-76
• the AG5

Three more will come, six in total are left. So what do you think? What do you hope?

my theories

HP5 and AI76 are long requested and with the Sjöqvist we could get another shotgun…
Brännboll bat is too boring, möller somehow too small and weak to be a worthy option and the AG5 too similar to the AG4.

But who knows… At least we know that the experimental version doesn’t necessarly have to have something in common with the 1c to 5c versions.
The Älgstudsare works totally different and the Meusser even has a new ammo type, doesn’t it? (I didn’t get one yet, so no idea)

Experimental effects
What do you think how they could work or which unique experimental effects they could have?

As an alternative to the flamethrower (DLC) we could have a weapon that uses corrosive acid, a freeze-gun or a watergun (as the machines don’t seem to like water).
Or what about a gun with laser or heat guided projectiles? Mark a target and a full magazine of guided bullets will automatically be fired… And hit anything on the way towards the marked target.

More ideas?

Update 2024-11-22
There is a new teaser. A sound from a gun. Obviously it’s from one of the new experimentals. I guess it’s the exp AI-76. Sounds like it’s able to switch ammo types, which has an effect on the RoF and the DpS.
Maybe it’s able to use different calibers, like 5.56, 7.62 and .50?!

Here is the sound:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1309533131631628388/1309533131795071017/shots.mp3?ex=67468a84&is=67453904&hm=968e202693607245474e35dfca5f36d0c26cd34e28ad32243ad3f6c51000c1fa&

Update 2024-11-25
There is a new teaser-image and a new sound.
I feel it could be the experimental HP5.
But somehow the magazine sounds like a rotating one. A drum magazine?
And what’s this radarscreen for? Just for being able to See where machines are nearby or does it have a greater sense? Maybe homing bullets?
What do you think?

Here is the sound (thx @gysbert):
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1310626053479465063/1310626054347554836/shots.mp3?ex=67468fe1&is=67453e61&hm=c202db35daa6fb4ba9de9059c1cfbdf130838a7a1b5bc7df4b853aab290e1204&

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Location
Short: the big island west of Klinte, but also changes to mountain region, farmlands and maybe even more.

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We’ll need more hints.
Currently we have two pictures showing different locations.

The first picture I take a closer look on looks like it shows östervik Klinte… The Location already was found. But it’s slightly changed. This roof, where it is taken from, currently can’t be reached and doesn’t have any objects, crates, tents and so on on it.

Now, having in mind that we’re in a changed location in mountains region, let’s guess on. What if this region finally gets the revamp we’ve been waiting for so long?

Update: revamp is confirmed, although it won’t be a full revamp. Control Points are not confirmed.

The second picture seems to show a new location. Or at least a location that could probably finally have been changed. My guess: it’s the large open area on Kilsberget.

Let’s look at the monitors.

“Kamera 1”
Nothing I can currently recognize.
A factory… Is it a scene of the location where the picture is taken from, so maybe on Kilsberget?

“Kamera 2”
Looks like a warboard room. A new one? Or an already existing one? A new area indeed could mean a new command bunker/warboard room. Or, as some scenes seem to take place in mountains region, is it the Uttern command bunker warboard room?

“Kamera 3”
That seems to be the arena (FOA2) at Normyrra.

“Kamera 4”
Looks almost like these rooms in the hatches, where we can activate a tyrant. Will there be a new final tyrants for the showdown? Or maybe an arena fight with different machines and a tyrant, which can be activated there? Is it a new room or the known ones, where we maybe get a new option? Questions over questions…

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theories about the location of the new area

Without more knowledge, let’s take a look at what Carni said and the map:

@SR_Carni

This new area will not be as sprawling as Himfjäll, but it will give us the space needed to tell the last part of our narrative

The island north of himfjäll obviously is too big.
So what’s left? An other island? Maybe even “Monster Island”? Or something underground?

So 5 is off the table. 1 and 2 are hard on the limit to be too great, too. 3… Maybe too small? 4 finally could be interesting, but is small, too.

I agree, the most interesting part will be how to get there… Most islands are too far away for the known ways and there are no bridges that could be repaired, except for 5, but that’s the biggest one.
What about a tunnel system with something like a railway?

What if FOA2 at normyrra leads us to such a tunnel system? That could be a solutions for every island.

As one picture is taken from Klinte (looking west), maybe it’s indeed island 2, which is the closest island… So maybe a new way… A ferry or a ponton bridge…?

Or what about something like we got with the tyrant hatches… An underground location, that is entered and left by a hatch. By that this path doesn’t have to be physically in place and to be as long as the total expected range.

We’ll see.

Update 2024-11-19
There is a new picture to discuss about.

Update 2024-11-20
There is a new picture to discuss about.

Update 2024-11-21
There is a new picture to discuss about.

**Update 2024-11-18** - locked discord-board

On discord there was a new small video with maybe an interesting hint at the end:

FOA4
Bergfinken
There is an url: discord.gg/ZnHdzSvk25

Which leads to:

Which let’s us send a password to a locked discord channel.

SR_Carni wrote:
The password is a single swedish word.

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Story

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@SR_Carni

In preparation, we advise you to gather all the Soviet Nesting Dolls collectables and catch up on the attached lore.

So here is a thread covering all the lore:
Thanks, @Gysbert for gathering all the info.
Russian Nesting Dolls Lore (SPOILERS) - #3 by Gysbert

And more:
Short: base defense will become revamped, new cosmetics, more armor for the companion, more collectibles,…

News:

• No backpacks
• No Monster Trucks
• No tactical nukes
• No Battle royale
• No squeaky noses
• No zombies

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New structures for basebuilding?

[FishingKing249]

HP5 and AI-76 seem like they would be good as experimental though the AI-76 is already quite powerful.

[Madchaser]

And the third new one?

[FishingKing249]

Not really sure but the brannboll bat would be good since right now there is only one melee experimental. Or the sjoqvist since there is only one shotgun experimental. One of those could replace AI-76 because the AI-76 is powerful enough as it is.

[Madchaser]

Or the HP5, as there is only one smg experimental or the AG5 as there is only one 5.56 experimental…

There may be reasons for everything, but I don’t think it’ll be the brännboll bat. Too boring. We “need” cool firepower.

I think the AI 76 and the HP5 are long requested and have a good chance. But the third one… Maybe indeed the sjöqvist.

What kind of experimental effect could they (whatever weapons it’ll be) have?

[FishingKing249]

I was kind of thinking a bat would be to boring, but you never know.

[FishingKing249]

@Madchaser

What kind of experimental effect could they (whatever weapons it’ll be) have?

I think the AI-76 could shoot acid bullets that do damage slowly, like corrosive ammo accept you would not have to craft the ammo. Actually, might be to basic.

[Gysbert]

@Madchaser

So what’s left? An other island?

I think that it will be island 1. It has a connection with a possible Ferry from Hagaboda dock. It’s also the most logical place where Camp Kabarga is from which the First Firebirds were sent.

The island is big, but if we want something explore, it shouldn’t be small.

[Madchaser]

@Gysbert

I think that it will be island 1. It has a connection with a possible Ferry from Hagaboda dock. It’s also the most logical place where Camp Kabarga is from which the First Firebirds were sent.

The island is big, but if we want something explore, it shouldn’t be small.

It seems to be logical.
But isn’t it too great if Carni already said that the new area isn’t as sprawling as himfjäll? It’s almost the same size.

I see, you already updated your map with a narrow line to there and the possible location of Camp kabarga. Almost looks like confirmed/proven

@Gysbert
Do you remember this map found at landingzone anya? We never found out, why there were these markings south east of archilelago. Maybe hinting to a possible location of monster Island?

[Gysbert]

@Madchaser

But isn’t it too great if Carni already said that the new area isn’t as sprawling as himfjäll? It’s almost the same size.

I read the “sprawling” to mean there wouldn’t be a great many points of interest. But if it indeed means the size, then it couldn’t be that island. Then the next best thing could be the island I called Sköldpadda.

[Madchaser]

@Gysbert

Then the next best thing could be the island I called Sköldpadda.

No, I already was there, so it should be off the table . There is nothing of interest. And it is really small, like 3 is.

[Gysbert]

@Madchaser

I see, you already updated your map with a narrow line to there and the possible location of Camp kabarga. Almost looks like confirmed/proven

That ferry line I added a long time ago. I was sort off giving the devs subtle ideas what to add.

@Madchaser

Do you remember this map found at landingzone anya? We never found out, why there were these markings south east of archilelago. Maybe hinting to a possible location of monster Island?

Yess I remember That. Could be. I placed monster island on the map based on visual observation. But without actual confirmation of it’s coordinates.

[Gysbert]

@Madchaser

The second picture looks like it shows östervik… But changed. I’ll have to prove that. In the end, it’s not a new area, too.

No, it’s not Östervik. There is no Kundsam building there that is the same.
I found the spot.

[Madchaser]

I assumed it was a perspective towards south…
But north could be better.

Hagaboda?

I’ll have to take a look at there later.

Edit:
No not Hagaboda and not looking north or south.

[Mr_A1992]

They imply its a small place, so its probably the smal island in Himfjall and some new places around the main big “Island” (yes its an island and not a continent xD).
The 2 small islands would make sense but seem to require a few complicated methods for us to reach them, too far away for a “cord boat”, there are no bridges there and it seems too weird to get there just by " warp or loading screen", on the other hand, island NR 2 and 3 seem too big requiring too many existing and new assets.

I hope we dont get another experimental melee weapon…they always feel a bit off but i have a feeling its exactly one of the 3 new weapons -.-

On the other hand an experimental sjoqvist would be fun, even with an already existent SPAS12 ingame.

Al76, being an AK47 or AK74 it deserved an experimental version due to its popularity.

A mystery indeed

[FishingKing249]

I feel like it is going to be island 3. Though it might be too small.

[Madchaser]

@Gysbert

I found the spot.

Me too, but the scene changed a bit to the current location.

This is the building on which the scene is taken from.

This is the kundsam you see on the picture.

No need to stay behind the curtain:
It’s taken in Klinte, looking west.
If that’s a hint, it goes towards island No 2.

One more thing:
If there are indeed some changes to Klinte, maybe even the mountain region finally got its revamp.

[Sgt_Saunders]

As far as the location is concerned, “sprawling” has many definitions and much depends on which one is meant. Islands 3 and 4 are midgets as compared to Himfjall. After all the requests for new islands, it would be one massive letdown to end the series by having the player go to a small island like 3 or 4. It’s entirely possible that although islands 1, 2, and 5 are all larger than Himfjall, they could in fact be the location- and that the players might have to physically cross large areas of the island (because of no fast travel until one has been to a location) to reach a comparatively small number of locations on that island. In any case, I’m hoping that players get the ability to go to all the islands just to see the world space from there.

And while they’re at it, add a 1-4 scope and vision module ability to the AI- 76. As the series is ending, play balance should no longer matter so much.

[sabredog66]

Island 1 is my current bet. One could hope still for island 5 but it is simply too large even with the obvious long standing development already visible.

I do hope that the update provides a DLC length storyline for the finale however.

[Madchaser]

Btw.
I made a wiki out of the starting post.
By that I’m able to change it all the time and I will update it with every single piece of knowledge or good guessing.