The Possibility of Motorcycles? and perhaps different bicycles?

[Colin_Dols]

Maybe its possible to add motorcycles to the game?
i know we already have the bicycles but more variety would be cool.
as someone already mentioned in the GZ discord server the game can already barely handle bicycles.
but motorcycles are kinda like bicycles but without the cycle animation and they are a bit faster, but louder.
i kinda see it as a pro and cons kinda thing. bicycles are slower but harder to spot, motorcycles are faster but easier to spot because they are loud. if we are going to see motorcycles in the game. why not the Husqvarna Model 258, Sweden had about 3.000 for their millitary
( The Husqvarna Model 258 Military – A Motorcycle With Built-In Skis ).

and since there are Russians in the game too, why not the Ural with the Sidecar so you can transport your companions while going to a mission (and perhaps add a machine gun to the front of the sidecar?)

as for bicycles. maybe some mountain bikes because the regular bicycles are horrible terrain wise in the mud

(and as for the speed for the motorcycle, why not make it like… 80KPh max?. or perhaps 60 or 70, and why not the possibility of a storage box on the motorcycle with the max weight of 60KG) and perhaps you can acess the inventory through the motorcycle workbench. which will fix some problems of players (and also me) that like to hoard stuff

[Aesyle]

Welcome to the forums.

---

What you ask for, have been asked many times before, namely in this topic: A case for vehicles

@Colin_Dols

and as for the speed for the motorcycle, why not make it like… 80KPh max?. or perhaps 60 or 70

And while it has been highly requested feature, i feel that you’d like to know why it hasn’t been added to the game as of yet.

That is explained by the devs themselves. And they gave us a good reason, in one of the dev streams, at 00:47:37, link: Twitch

---

@Colin_Dols

which will fix some problems of players (and also me) that like to hoard stuff

For hoarding, we have another topic that discusses all that: Storage box size

My take on this (hoarding), comes from another topic:

@Aesyle

In the beginning (launch day), there was a good challenge of what to bring and what to leave, since what you only had, was your carry capacity. And it was limited to max 50 units (slots). Also, there was no Plundra what-so-ever.
Did all that stop players from playing the game? No, it did not. I completed all the vanilla missions with the now seemingly very limited storage space. Also, i enjoyed it a lot back then.

But hoarders weren’t happy and wanted storage box where to stash the loot. So, the Plundra was introduced (August '19) where to store the loot.
Did Plundra made the situation better for hoarders? For a while, until hoarders met the 100 unit (slot) Plundra limit and weren’t happy, again.

Even more requests were made to increase the Plundra capacity limit. And with the new inventory system (March '20), Plundra storage got doubled to the max of 200 units. Also, carry capacity was increased as well, from the max of 50 to the max of 80.

Next update (April '20) increased the carry capacity even more, from the max of 80 to the max of 96.
Is all that extra storage space enough? Seems like it isn’t.

Since the thing is, hoarders will never be happy until there is unlimited storage, both in inventory and in Plundra.

---

If it were up to me: i’d remove Plundra from the game completely and reduce max carry capacity back to the 50 units it initially was. But luckily for hoarders, it isn’t up to me.

---

What i had in the beginning was:

• carry capacity of max 50 units
• no Plundra
• no Recycling Station (since crafting wasn’t a thing back then)

What hoarders currently have, are:

• carry capacity of max 96 units (or 112.999 without able to run)
• Plundra with 200 units storage
• Recycling Station with 250 units storage

And people are still complaining? Like, for real?

---

@Colin_Dols

as for bicycles. maybe some mountain bikes because the regular bicycles are horrible terrain wise in the mud

Well, since what we have in-game are street bikes and not mountain bikes, it makes sense that these bikes are only good on the road and poor off-road.

Also, i wrote my other thought about bikes in another topic:

@Aesyle

Though, Bikes were player request and i’m half-thinking that devs perhaps deliberately made the bike as it is, just to please those who wanted it but not giving the “perfect” bike, to show their dislike to it. Either that, or the Apex Engine in GZ isn’t really designed for vehicles and any other vehicle will have the same, “sort of” working state.

---

Overall, i think that GZ is best without any motorized vehicles. While motorized vehicles are “cool”, they also change the gameplay a lot, up to the point where your motorized vehicle becomes your life, e.g: like Mad Max, Rage 2, Dying Light, State of Decay 2, Cyberpunk 2077 among many.

[Spectre313]

@Aesyle

Si fuera por mí: eliminaría a Plundra del juego por completo y reduciría la capacidad máxima de transporte de vuelta a las 50 unidades que inicialmente era. Pero por suerte para los acaparadores, no depende de mí.

I agree with you, the storage is too much, but, I think it is better to have an additional storage space, due to the experimental and DLC weapons that are not easy to get, and sometimes they only serve as trophies.
As for the recycling and creation station, they would have been more useful during the first or second year of the game, due to the great shortage of resources such as medicine cabinets or flares, (despite the fact that a tank makes me spend them all), that for “Rambo” or “Berserkers” (whatever you want to call it) , like me they, are very useful.

[Aesyle]

@Spectre313

but, I think it is better to have an additional storage space, due to the experimental and DLC weapons that are not easy to get, and sometimes they only serve as trophies.

Actually, you don’t need any additional storage space, even if you plan to collect every 5* and 6* weapon. I ran the numbers in another topic but to quote it here:

@Aesyle

Plundra came August '19 and it had twice the storage capacity of what you could carry, 100 slots.

In March '20, Plundra capacity was doubled, to 200 slots/units. And with carry capacity increase, Plundra storage was a bit more than double of what you could carry.

---

In this topic, there is argument to increase the Plundra capacity because there are more different weapons in game. And if one likes to store each of them, there needs to be more Plundra storage.

So, lets see how it really is.

In the launch day game, there were 14 different weapons.
2 LMGs were added to the game.
2 melee weapons were added to the game.
There are also 8 experimental weapons, one in each class of a weapon.
And lastly, new weapon DLC added 3 more new weapons.

That makes 21 normal weapons and 8 experimental weapons, or
29 weapons in total.

---

One weapon weighs 2 units. And when to multiply that with different weapons amount, we get 58 units.
So, you need 58 units of storage if you want to keep one version of each different weapon.

100 unit Plundra is more than enough to store the complete weapon collection, leaving space free for other stuff. But we don’t have 100 unit Plundra, instead, we have 200 unit plundra. Making the above argument void.

---

However, one could say that weapon attachments also take up space and that is true.
So, lets count those as well. And here, i’ll take all 29 weapons while considering the maximum possible attachments each and every weapon could have.

Baseball bat - 0 attachments
Sledgehammer - 0 attachments
Möller - 2 attachments
Klaucke - 2 attachments
N9 - 2 attachments
.44 Magnum - 4 attachments
12G shotty - 2 attachments
semi-auto shotty - 1 attachment
Kpist - 3 attachments
HP5 - 3 attachments
.243 - 3 attachments
.270 - 3 attachments
.50 cal - 3 attachments
AI-76 - 3 attachments
AG4 - 4 attachments
AG5 - 4 attachments
N16 - 3 attachments
KVM 89 - 3 attachments
KVM 59 - 3 attachments
N60 - 3 attachments
m/49 - 0 attachments

Exp Sledgehammer - 0 attachments
Exp Klaucke - 2 attachments
Exp 12G shotty - 2 attachments
Exp Kpist - 3 attachments
Exp .50 cal - 3 attachments
Exp AG4 - 4 attachments
Exp KVM 59 - 3 attachments
Exp m/49 - 0 attachments

Count: 50 on regular weapons and 17 on experimental weapons = 67 total.

---

One attachment weighs 0.250 units, times 67 = 16.750 units taken up by all attachments.
And if we add the weapons weight to that, 58 + 16.750 = 74.750.

100 unit Plundra is capable of to store that perfect weapon collection + then some.
Current 200 unit Plundra is more than enough + more than double of that, to house that perfect weapon collection and i see no reason why to increase it even further.

Also, i don’t know how many people want the perfect weapon collection in their Plundra. It could be minority or majority. For those, who doesn’t collect every version of a weapon + all attachments on a weapon, they have even more free space to work with as it currently stands.

While USSR weapons are coming soon, they doesn’t change the values in any significant way. Since only 3 new weapons are added, the storage space to house the weapons increases by 6 units (2 per weapon).

As far as attachments on them go, that i don’t know since their full specs haven’t been released but attachments individually take up little space and at most, they add 2 units of weight, if even that much. Once the USSR weapons are released, i can run the numbers again and add them to the list.

[Spectre313]

Of course, but what I was saying is that, it is not necessary to eliminate it, I would not like to run out of ammunition in the middle of a fight, without emergency elements, especially with the variety of enemies out there now.

[Aesyle]

@Spectre313

it is not necessary to eliminate it

While i’m content as it is (been used to with far less), i, for sure don’t want any expansion of it. The current amount of storage space is more than enough and for those, who it isn’t enough, only unlimited is enough.

OP presented the motorcycle storage. While it’s neat idea and would make sense to have some little storage on your motorcycle, e.g 20 units worth of stuff, just adding that additional storage, IMO, isn’t justified. However, if we would reduce player inventory storage, from 96 units down to e.g 50, then it would balance things out.

@Spectre313

I would not like to run out of ammunition in the middle of a fight

That is better for another topic than this one but to touch it lightly: Additional storage doesn’t fix the issue of running out ammo/gear. What does fix it, is improving your aim, using semi-auto fire instead of full-auto fire, looting to keep your supply topped off and not tanking every shot machines fire at you (to lessen first aid kits usage). Also, ammo is so plentiful in the game that it’s next to impossible to run out of it. Especially since now, we can craft any ammo we desire.

[Iris]

@Aesyle

200 units

I filled the whole thing in at least a 2 weeks. Is that normal?
Maybe a month

[Aesyle]

@Iris

I filled the whole thing in at least a 2 weeks. Is that normal?

The time spent to fill something, is not a reasonable measurement to measure how big of a capacity it should have. Since i can fill all of it in a 1 day, if need be. Or when i play smart, it never gets full.